We create a feature list for the next update fee?

[theun]

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So in the end, what does SM2 have that makes it superior to 1.1.7? (.....) This feels like a step backwards (....) don´t you think?

and some similar reactions here ....
I can't disagree, however at least SM isn't dead yet!
I hope there'll be an update with fixes soon.

[McBarGig]

I am ok with this update, you're right its probably not version 2, but there is progress, meaning that at least Malc is doing something to it...I was sure that SM was gone! As others have said, its not like its 300 pounds..its only 20...We spend more than that on a night out or burgers at Mickey D's..

[McBarGig]

i just looked at the flowstone forum and its still empty. i dont know how an active community correlates to the sucess of a software, but i cant deny a special relationship, (look at the reaper forum for example). so if anything with sm on hold since a year(?) and this forum slowly drying out i only can point this out to maybe give some obviously needed initiative on the developers side again. and no marketing please. best would be some words from malc to clear things up.

I know of a company that has well over a million users and their forums have like 700 members..It depends on the software, if the software is something where the user would need support in a direct way, then the forum will be busy. If it something where the software really does not need any support then the forum will be a lot less busy..

Having said that, yes FS would be something where the user would need direct support, so, it does paint a bit of a picture, but then again, there is also the difference between a social based software and a "work related" software. FS would definitely fall under the work related category, and what that means is, if you work all day programming machines, the last thing you're gonna do is go hang out at a forum and talk about it..

I used to be heavily involved in developing Industrial Automation software. When I saw that Outsim was getting involved in that, my initial thought was, yep, that would work extremely well, good call. Then I thought back to when I was in it and my next thought was better them than me..Its a really tough go especially when most hardware manufacturers have their own proprietary development environments.

[trogluddite]

.Its a really tough go especially when most hardware manufacturers have their own proprietary development environments.

A shame really, the SM/FS environment is so nice - but yes, they're up against some well established competition. And personally I've seen the BSOD on too many ATMs, 'Interactive' museum exhibits, rail station notice boards etc. to ever trust a Windows based platform running expensive industrial processes or critical laboratory experiments!!

[McBarGig]

Windows for industrial processes can be a bit scary if you don't have all your safeguards in place. I never relied on our programming alone to control machinery in hazardous situations, that would be suicide...As a matter of fact I was once hired to re-write/repair a system where a guy was crushed by a train because the developer relied on his programming alone to trigger a shut down from a proxy switch. I myself would have lost my hand were it not for an AB SLC 500 stopping a press. So, you're completely right, anyone who develops industrial apps and relies on windows programming alone to control the machinery is a fool. You can't even do that anymore here. You have to have Multiple control, however, even before that was law, I still never relied on windows...Look at the freaking timers! I can see it, press is coming down, someone is in the way, switch is sending the message like mad to the system stop stop..Windows reply, hang on a minute I'm reorganizing my fonts! I'll get to it when I get to it...Until then wait your turn...haha

Almost all communication with machinery back then was through RS232 or if the hardware was a little savvy, you would get to communicate through the parallel port. But really, it was mostly DOS programming back in them days which was a little safer than windows...

Man I'm glad I am not doing that anymore..haha

[Tom7777]

You could also do most of what Flowstone does for free with code based apps but all the apps i have seen just have a code editor and don't have a nice GUI to work with. One thing Flowstone could do better though is advance the coding options it has.

I say that because with SM the coding is limited due to the VST SDK and it is based around audio DSP but with Flowstone you would not have that restriction and could do much more. In fact without the VST restrictions Flowstone could become quite a decent visual programming app. Right now it seems just like SM with the addition of some extra hardware modules but if they add more things like better code options, graphics and GUI stuff it could be really great in the future.

Edit - And of course if more modules are added they would also need to update the toolbox to have sub-folders etc like SM needs to make it more user friendly and organized...

[electrogear]

Gutted that the green timing issues haven't been sorted. This is what I've been holding out for the last... 3 and a half years, (since I left these parts). I will pay the £20 just to see what's new with it, I think it's worth it, however I'd rather have paid a £50 upgrade and had all of the major issues addressed (for me the green timing issue was right at the top of the list).

Sorry about the negativity, I think now we have 2 devs and taking into account the importance of accurate timing in some industrial applications, there's a greater likelihood that this will be sorted.

[MegaHurtz]

Do me a low level way of making a gui and im a happy man.
promise





My life hasn't been the same since I was ignored by aliens
Haha where they mean or yust indifferent?

[McBarGig]

I have proposed in the past that SM simply spits out C++ code for the GUI and the framework. I would not actually care that it saves as a vst. Once you have that framework prototype complete you just go in and fill in the blanks..
Where you would have a filter for example, the code would be like this in that section.

//place filter code here

The class names would be the name of the filter in SM..

an application like that would be fantastic and I bet you'd see the SM sales go way up. It would go a long way to answering a lot of questions, supporting further development, Our own optimizations, etc....

I was sort of expecting SM 2 to be able to do something like that, I mean I don't think the future lies in just adding new encapsulated Prims and functions.

Just my two cents..

[electrogear]

My life hasn't been the same since I was ignored by aliens
Haha where they mean or yust indifferent?

They didn't even notice me

[Acrobat]

Windows for industrial processes...

very interesting notes... explains well why I am actually using a HARDWARE sequencer:
my ears do not recognise anymore 16000 hz BUT
my sense of time is getting better and better everyday.

[fluxfuture]

my vote goes also on
- OSC support >> need that for all the iOS and android toys
- external dll support

[McBarGig]

@FluxFuture, I really don't think MAC support for SM will ever happen because from what I have been able to understand it would pretty much be a complete rewrite.

[rl]

I think he was talking about open sound control (OSC) to talk to these cutey little devices.
OSC is dead simple to implement (short UDP datagram messages). If SM had an extension SDK I'd be the first person to implement OSC support. Granted!
(Ich schwör', Alter!)

[MegaHurtz]

my vote goes also on
- OSC support >> need that for all the iOS and android toys
- external dll support

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