What is the Quran?

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The Lord Complete Audio English Quran in MP3



Equal in Heaven ?

Dear brothers and sisters ,

Many will tell you the major difference between Islam and Christianity is the status of Jesus or the perception of the crucifixion .

Here we will clarify the primary major difference between Islam and Christianity , which is "Accountability" .

The word "Accountability" refers to our time being punished or rewarded in the Afterlife for our behavior here on Earth .

The greater our Faith and actions on Earth , the greater the reward in the Afterlife and the less of a punishment . Similarly , the more the evil we commit in this life , we incur a greater punishment and are rewarded less .

This system is Fair and Logical in that it gives people what they deserve . The good for the good and the bad for the bad .

In order for this system to be conducted , we have several levels of Heaven , where the greatest among us are on the highest level of Heaven , and the less righteous are placed in lower levels of Heaven .

Also there are different time periods of Hell , similar to jail terms , the greater the crime , the longer you stay in Hell for the sins .

This system is the system that is described in Islam and demonstrates that we have a fair God who rewards us for what we have done .

Now we see a major difference arises when comparing the Christian's thoughts of the Afterlife . The Christian's view is without accountability . They assume that there is only one level of Heaven and that Hell is eternal with no escape .

The Christians say if anyone (big sinner or small sinner) believe in the blood of Jesus , they will go to Heaven . Hitler believed in and often quoted Jesus in his book "Mein Kepf" . This creates the unimaginable picture of the most evil along with the most righteous , side by side together , equal in Heaven according to the Christians .

Surely God is a just God who does not allow Hitler along side Moses in Heaven , even though Hitler was a faithful Christian .

Although this is the Christian's way of picturing the Afterlife , a closer look into the Bible shows that indeed Christians too are accountable similar to the system of Islam , only that one needs the Quran and Hadeeth to more deeply understand the concepts recorded in the Bible .

For example , the Quran and Hadeeth clarify there are seven levels of Heaven Quran 41:12 and 2:29 , the Hadeeth also explain that people are placed in Hell temporarily for a set time , depending on their sins , and are then removed from Hell for simply having a atom's weight of Faith in God Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532s, Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri

With these details explained in the Islamic Scripture , we then can fully understand the words Jesus preached in the Gospel and the phrases in the Old Testaments .

For example , Jesus also briefly mentions there are different levels of the Kingdom of Heaven ;

"Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19

Furthermore , Jesus and the Old Testament confirm that we can be removed from Hell :

" But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire . " Matthew 5:22

This shows we will owe Hell , directly suggesting a temporary time in Hell for the sin of saying "fool"

It is very clear in the Old Testament that Hell is not eternal for those who believe in God , nor is Hell only one level :

"For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell.." De 32:22

"For great [is] thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell." Ps 86:13

Here we see a example of God's mercy and capability to remove us from Hell , showing Hell is not eternal for those who believe in God, this illustrates that we may spend some time in Hell , but it may not be Eternal (depending on the crime) , this is also viewed from the following quotes in the Old Testament ;

"For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." Ps 16:10

"Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell" Pr 23:14

Unless Christians expand their knowledge to the Final Testament The Holy Quran , the Christians will remain propagating that God is Unjust in the Afterlife . God gave us minds to seek knowledge .

Jesus could not tell us the entire picture of the Afterlife as quoted here:

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." Joh 16:12

This verse is further understood in light of the history of the church persecuting scientists who spoke about wonders of our Universe.

Than in Islam , the Message has been completed so we can understand the aspects of the Afterlife that have been overlooked by the modern Christians .

"...This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…" Translation of the Holy Quran 5:3

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The Lord Complete Audio English Quran in MP3
Equal in Heaven ?
Dear brothers and sisters ,
Many will tell you the major difference between Islam and Christianity is the status of Jesus or the perception of the crucifixion .
Here we will clarify the primary major difference between Islam and Christianity , which is "Accountability" .
The word "Accountability" refers to our time being punished or rewarded in the Afterlife for our behavior here on Earth .

Hello, kinda strange that as a first post you jump into religion, in the wrong forum none the less (should be off-topic)

I am quite certain you have not read the Christian New Testament; Jesus talked about "accountability" very often:
1) You have to forgive, or else you give the Devil access to you Matthew 18:18-35
2) Unless you do God's will, you won't get into Heaven. http://net.bible.org/#!bible/Matthew+7:15
3) Jesus & others said He (Jesus) is the only way to Heaven: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-only-way.html, Matthew 10:32-33,
4) Knowing Jesus is knowing God the Father: "If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well"
5) Jesus, not the religious things you do gives access to Heaven (Matthew7:15 again, Ephesians 2
etc.
Let me know if you need more information.

[Dell]

Hello, kinda strange that as a first post you jump into religion, in the wrong forum none the less (should be off-topic)

I would not be surprised if this was spam.

[MegaHurtz]

Yea.. screw you too.

[Jay]

Well i am never one to mock anyone for thier spiritual views and respect the wishes of those who choose to believe in such twaddle

Heres my views on religion......

I think in this day and age we all need to leave old superstitions behind and concentrate on mending our broken,corrupt,screwed up world,Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.

but hey, if faith helps gets you through the night then, good for you!

Hell i have Faith,Faith in the power of Malc. and a strong belief that he will once more be risen and Herald us a new age of SM Events system and 64bit proccessing

Best Regards

[aliasant]

Well i am never one to mock anyone for thier spiritual views and respect the wishes of those who choose to believe in such twaddle

Heres my views on religion......

I think in this day and age we all need to leave old superstitions behind and concentrate on mending our broken,corrupt,screwed up world,Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.

but hey, if faith helps gets you through the night then, good for you!

Hell i have Faith,Faith in the power of Malc. and a strong belief that he will once more be risen and Herald us a new age of SM Events system and 64bit proccessing

Best Regards

+10

Religion seems to be for those who cant believe in themselves?

[Dozius]

I have been touched by His noodly Appendage.

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I think in this day and age we all need to leave old superstitions behind and concentrate on mending our broken,corrupt,screwed up world,Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.

What if God invented Science (eg set up the rules how things work)?
Funny, it took man 4000+ years of civilization of man's "intelligence" to figure out how to change genes, & people expect genes to change by themselves on "random yet selective random chance" enough to create new species.? It takes a bunch of computers on a cloud or 2 20th generation GPUs to crack one password in a few days, yet a single strand of DNA contains more information than that password, infact it helps to self-replicate... I doubt anything is "random" in this world, & certainly not life itself.

[aliasant]

... I doubt anything is "random" in this world, & certainly not life itself.

That is truly a science question and not a religious question.
As far as I can see we might very well be machines created by some other...
Or we might simply be digits in a computer program. That could in a way explain the big Bang. From nothing to something quite quick. Just as if someone created a program and then booted it.

I cant see these kinds of questions as religious. They are scientific by nature.
Besides.
Not being religious doesnt mean, not believing. Theres so much to believe in that doesnt involve bearded old men in clouds or forcing one mans belief onto another.

[lesobrod]

Emptiness here, Emptiness there, but the infinite universe stands always before your eyes.
Infinitely large and infinitely small; no difference, for definitions have vanished and no boundaries are seen.
So too with Being and Non-Being.
Don't waste time with doubts and arguments that have nothing to do with this.
One thing, all things: move among and intermingle, without distinction.
To live in this realization is to be without anxiety about non-perfection.
To live in this faith is the road to non-duality, because the non-dual is one with trusting mind.
Words!
The Way is beyond language, for in it there is no yesterday, no tomorrow, no today.
http://allspirit.co.uk/hsinhsinming.html

[Xtinct]

Hey everybodys free to believe what they like, but Jay 64 bit ? that really is stretching it

[trogluddite]

Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.

I'm not religious myself, but I always feel that this one is a case of confusing correlation with causation.

All despots need a flag of convenience to fly under if they are to rally the masses. The crucial thing is to have the intelligence to critique the justifications used for vile acts however the message is delivered.
If more evil has been done in the name of religion than science, it is most probably because the traditions of religion have been around longer. In it's relatively short history, modern reductive science has also had its message twisted in the name of barbarism - just like with the religious zealots, scientist with unsavoury beliefs have strived to 'prove' that our supposed enemies are inferior and more primitive - e.g. Victorian anthropology used to justify the colonisation of Africa and India, or the Nazi's use of Eugenic theories.

On a less extreme level, there is already much wilfully misquoted and distorted reporting of science in the media. Much of this seems to promote the idea that science should be left to 'experts' (priests), and the population at large is left with the impression that they shouldn't try to understand it because it is some kind of arcane knowledge that they wouldn't be able to understand.
In reality you only need to understand a few basic concepts to be able to spot the whiff of BS - but there are a lot of 'snake oil' merchants out there who want you to give them money for their 'get sexy quick' potions and 'miracle cures' - and they'd rather that nobody asked too many awkward questions.

This is why so few newspapers or advertisers ever give a list of references for their scientific articles - if you actually go to the original peer-reviewed sources you often find that material has been used out of context to justify a political or commercial position - sometimes even to draw a conclusion at odds with the scientific findings.

Neither science nor religion intrinsically cause wars - that is the preserve of psychopaths who will use any beliefs people might hold as leverage to make their schemes more palatable.

[aliasant]

Some of the worst atrocities and acts of human cruelty have been committed in the name of God and in the duties of so called men of God. I cannot subscribe to that. Science is the truth and our future, if we are to have a future at all.

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I didnt say that. Jay did

[trogluddite]

Oops, sorry Ali - dunno why the 'quote' button should paste in the wrong person (edited)- I must be getting something wrong with my selections somehow, I keep having to edit them by hand.
Kinda ironic since I was spouting off about mis-attributed quotes in the media!!

[aliasant]

Kinda ironic since I was spouting off about mis-attributed quotes in the media!!

LOL
I know

I agree with most of what you said but Im not sure you could call what the nazis did ( measuring skull sizes and such) as science. Wasnt that more of a faked "science" to "prove" an idea and to sell an agenda?
Same with much else but it isnt science.
Like when their selling some skin lotion and the marketing slogan is; Clinically tested in Geneva...

Science to me is like what they have recently done. 1 team claims they have speeded up neutrines faster then the speed of light and if they are right Einstein was wrong.
Now they are asking other teams to test this as much and hard as possible. If other teams can verify this we really need to rethink physics. It might open up a whole bunch of possibilities that Einsteins laws of relativity prohibited.

Timetravel anyone ?
Now thats something to believe in